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Member Posted by Margarit Constantinescu	Thursday 30 July 2009 4:43:16 pm I am just an outsider, but I am very interested in how this contest turns out. One thing that I noticed is the great fluctuation of the popularity rating, which suggests very much that they are entirely driven by the public and rather manipulated somehow. What is the team approach towards manipulation of the voting by people close to the contestants? It there any protocol to prevent or detect correlations between the voters and the contestants? if such correlations are not available, I would be very reluctant to consider voting if I were the judges of the competition. Alert moderator
Editor Posted by Bonnie Flaws	Friday 31 July 2009 10:14:11 am Please see an earlier discussion thread: http://www.goodentrepreneur.com/Discussion/Rules Alert moderator
Entrant Posted by Alfred Wimmer	Monday 03 August 2009 1:21:32 am I had this feeling too. But meanwhile the bigger fear is, that there are many entries they have nothing to do with the competitions headline, ONE IDEA TO CHANGE THE WORLD. There is a big miss-understanding around, as I have mentioned in my video, our problems are big and the puff of a wind is not what the world needs. We have roadblocks ahead and they are not to far away. Alert moderator
Entrant Posted by Norman Davison View on LinkedIn	Monday 03 August 2009 9:23:43 am Dear Alfred, I am also fealing huge frustration with the nature of the response, my initial reaction to the contest was 'this is not for you Norman ' But then I looked at the judges and saw that they were all technical people and thought yes you would get a fair shake down from these people . It is now patently obvious initial screening of the concept is by Joe public, and the resulting very heavy preference is for Gizmo's which are consumer driven . For me the battle line for the reduced carbon world is Insulate your buildings properly , cut kilowats by 50% , Or if you won't conform to this simple change . Then you will have to put up with a nice new shiney nuclear power station as your next door Neighbor ! how is that for the ultimate consumer Gizmo !!!!! If there is no improvement with ratings for my concept of integrating insulation and building material with in the next few days I will simply pull out of the competition and clear another space for a whimsical Gizmo entrant. Alert moderator
Member Posted by Loy Veal	Monday 03 August 2009 10:47:17 am Hold your horses Norm, and let’s analyze for a while what’s going on. I’ve looked to almost all ideas and I’ve got to say I’m amazed about how good ideas are getting almost no response and on the other hand the popular are to put it nice… dumb. This outcome has got to do with the website’s voting software which is not right: you can view from the same ip any idea for how many times you want. So if you have time you can get your idea viewed for 1000 times in two hours. Usually for online voting there can be only one vote for one ip, simple software protocol. Then, you can have visitors reading the idea, but no one is recording them because the site takes only considers the “plays”. So there might’ve been many reading your idea, but if they didn’t play the movie – nobody knows about them. Then look at the comments, a great deal of them – those in favor in general - are from people who entered to put just one comment. Now who on earth comes to a site goes with the ordeal of registering themselves to just put a comment like “Great idea, I think it will fly” and then go. They got to be buddies with the author of the idea. I am no language person, I speak only my English, but I can tell when there the same hand writing comments under different names and if this is happening it can’t be right! Therefore the votes, plays and the popularity should bear no relevance to the jury, cause they are who they are and I’m sure they can spot funny things easy. Now the TV people behind the contest could’ve left theses flaws intentionally to see what’s happening but still makes it unfair to people with less buddies. New comers are looking at the most popular first and they might get bored to get to the end of the list and leave. So Norm, don’t drop out! Not yet! Alert moderator
Member Posted by Joseph Crestin View on LinkedIn	Tuesday 04 August 2009 3:18:45 am Loy Veal Hi The phenomenon you are describing has a name: it’s called the averages’ dictatorship. I hope that the judges of this competition have their own reading grids to select ideas to change the world. Some subject or idea will always be more popular than others. I think that the best criteria to evaluate an idea, is to foresee it’s social / societal / environmental and economic efficiency. Like in the hold economy but with a larger spectrum that the financial one, there is a question of return on invests’efficiency. The balance is no more a simple one: is the idea and the associated business model making or not making money. Making money still remains important but it is nowadays insufficient. Joseph Crestin Alert moderator
Entrant Posted by Norman Davison View on LinkedIn	Tuesday 04 August 2009 8:42:48 am there is only one priority , social aspirations , global and narrow are fed by the taxes levied on garagage ntrepreneurs, the life blood of any economy Henry ford , The wright brothers, and our own James Dyson. were all garage entrepreneurs at one time 2 of them didn't get going untill there late 50s . seams to be a characteris ic with Engineers. It is these people who pay for the social aspirations etc. Not governments . Governments can only act in good times as Catalysts. Money ( entreprenereurial , ) Bulshit walks. Alert moderator
Entrant Posted by Norman Davison View on LinkedIn	Tuesday 04 August 2009 8:57:14 am amendment to last comment . should have been 'Money talks, bulshit walks' ( famous stock market quote) Alert moderator
Member Posted by Kathryn Davies	Tuesday 04 August 2009 10:14:29 am Hang on, am I missing something here? All entrepreneurs have to do a bit of work to get their ideas noticed. You can't just sit back and expect your genius to be recognised without doing any legwork or self promotion. What's wrong with sending an email round to your friends getting them to look at your video? Alert moderator
Member Posted by Margarit Constantinescu	Tuesday 04 August 2009 10:56:17 am Dear Kathryn, It is one thing to email your friends and another to ask them to click on the video for a hundred times. This get so annoying especially when these self appointed "stars" of the contest brag around that they almost won the competition when they know their "popularity" is solely based on their friends click-work. Nice talking to a real person. Alert moderator
Entrant Posted by Norman Davison View on LinkedIn	Tuesday 04 August 2009 11:37:50 am Nice idea Kathryn, Unfortunately all my friends are dead, ( handling $500,000 000 projects at the tender age of 32 does have that effect on people ) For some strange reason It didn't get me ! Alert moderator
Entrant Posted by Clara Mota View on LinkedIn	Tuesday 04 August 2009 4:11:31 pm Guys, Let's use our energy to other discussions....Judges will choose by the environmental impact of the idea, among other characteristics! We should congratulate ourselfs because the most of them are very good business ideas, the point were is how much they will impact on a direct form the environment, and their execution. Personally I couldn't read all the pitches, but there just one idea, that I would say that is bad. In fact the major environmental problems are the ones related to the impact that Man activities have in the basic planet resources; AIR, WATER and SOIL Without this resources we can't live in the planet! We are dealing essentialy with the air, water and soil pollution, there are ideas that contribute to solve this problems having a major impact and others that have a less impact. Some ideas are well formulated, but entrepreneurs don't clearify so well the impact on the environment worldwide, and they became a target of critics. We should evaluate and analyse the business ideas in this terms, and how is they direct impact in avoiding de deploitation of this resources. We should discuss the ideas of each other in this terms, and help to refine them. Only one can win, but this contest will help the entrepreneur to refine is idea, explain it to the world, find sources of funding, partners, and customers. Alert moderator
Entrant Posted by Vipul Patel	Wednesday 05 August 2009 1:01:57 pm Have a look at the rules and you will see that the public voting is not part of the competition - read the rules: Judging: 1. How will my entry be judged? Judges will use the following criteria to assess applications: - Quality of idea in terms of environmental benefit - Uniqueness/Originality of idea - Quality of communication of idea in Pitch Video - Quality of written application form - Judges will be aware of the popularity indices and may take this into consideration but they will not be required to do so. Also you all need to remember that some people have had many weeks of exposure and others (myself included) posted at the last minute - I only learnt of the competition just before the deadline. Moreover, I presume that, like me, the entrants have been prudent and kept their confidential information off the website. My video, as well as being rushed, is necessarily vague for this reason, unless you sign a non disclosure agreement and I trust you there I am going to ‘give you the keys’ to my idea and business. So only the judges, privy to the strategy of the idea, are in a position to make an informed decision. The rules even give you the option of having your entry removed from the website but not the competition on the 31st July - again, this demonstrates how little the public voting matters. Good luck with your entry, Vipul Alert moderator

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Posted by Margarit Constantinescu

Thursday 30 July 2009 4:43:16 pm

I am just an outsider, but I am very interested in how this contest turns out.

One thing that I noticed is the great fluctuation of the popularity rating, which suggests very much that they are entirely driven by the public and rather manipulated somehow.

What is the team approach towards manipulation of the voting by people close to the contestants? It there any protocol to prevent or detect correlations between the voters and the contestants?

if such correlations are not available, I would be very reluctant to consider voting if I were the judges of the competition.

Editor

Posted by Bonnie Flaws

Friday 31 July 2009 10:14:11 am

Please see an earlier discussion thread:

http://www.goodentrepreneur.com/Discussion/Rules

Entrant

Posted by Alfred Wimmer

Monday 03 August 2009 1:21:32 am

I had this feeling too. But meanwhile the bigger fear is, that there are many entries they have nothing to do with the competitions headline, ONE IDEA TO CHANGE THE WORLD. There is a big miss-understanding around, as I have mentioned in my video, our problems are big and the puff of a wind is not what the world needs. We have roadblocks ahead and they are not to far away.

Entrant

Posted by Norman Davison

View on LinkedIn

Monday 03 August 2009 9:23:43 am

Dear Alfred,
I am also fealing huge frustration with the nature of the response, my initial reaction to the contest was 'this is not for you Norman '

But then I looked at the judges and saw that they were all technical people and thought yes you would get a fair shake down from these people .

It is now patently obvious initial screening of the concept is by Joe public, and the resulting very heavy preference is for Gizmo's which are consumer driven .

For me the battle line for the reduced carbon world is Insulate your buildings properly , cut kilowats by 50% , Or if you won't conform to this simple change .

Then you will have to put up with a nice new shiney nuclear power station as your next door Neighbor ! how is that for the ultimate consumer Gizmo !!!!!

If there is no improvement with ratings for my concept of integrating insulation and building material with in the next few days I will simply pull out of the competition and clear another space for a whimsical Gizmo entrant.

Member

Posted by Loy Veal

Monday 03 August 2009 10:47:17 am

Hold your horses Norm, and let’s analyze for a while what’s going on.

I’ve looked to almost all ideas and I’ve got to say I’m amazed about how good ideas are getting almost no response and on the other hand the popular are to put it nice… dumb.

This outcome has got to do with the website’s voting software which is not right: you can view from the same ip any idea for how many times you want. So if you have time you can get your idea viewed for 1000 times in two hours. Usually for online voting there can be only one vote for one ip, simple software protocol. Then, you can have visitors reading the idea, but no one is recording them because the site takes only considers the “plays”. So there might’ve been many reading your idea, but if they didn’t play the movie – nobody knows about them. Then look at the comments, a great deal of them – those in favor in general - are from people who entered to put just one comment. Now who on earth comes to a site goes with the ordeal of registering themselves to just put a comment like “Great idea, I think it will fly” and then go. They got to be buddies with the author of the idea. I am no language person, I speak only my English, but I can tell when there the same hand writing comments under different names and if this is happening it can’t be right!

Therefore the votes, plays and the popularity should bear no relevance to the jury, cause they are who they are and I’m sure they can spot funny things easy.

Now the TV people behind the contest could’ve left theses flaws intentionally to see what’s happening but still makes it unfair to people with less buddies. New comers are looking at the most popular first and they might get bored to get to the end of the list and leave.

So Norm, don’t drop out! Not yet!

Member

Posted by Joseph Crestin

View on LinkedIn

Tuesday 04 August 2009 3:18:45 am

Loy Veal

Hi
The phenomenon you are describing has a name: it’s called the averages’ dictatorship. I hope that the judges of this competition have their own reading grids to select ideas to change the world. Some subject or idea will always be more popular than others. I think that the best criteria to evaluate an idea, is to foresee it’s social / societal / environmental and economic efficiency. Like in the hold economy but with a larger spectrum that the financial one, there is a question of return on invests’efficiency. The balance is no more a simple one: is the idea and the associated business model making or not making money. Making money still remains important but it is nowadays insufficient.

Joseph Crestin

Entrant

Posted by Norman Davison

View on LinkedIn

Tuesday 04 August 2009 8:42:48 am

there is only one priority , social aspirations , global and narrow are fed by the taxes levied on garagage ntrepreneurs, the life blood of any economy
Henry ford , The wright brothers, and our own James Dyson. were all garage entrepreneurs at one time 2 of them didn't get going untill there late 50s . seams to be a characteris ic with Engineers.

It is these people who pay for the social aspirations etc. Not governments . Governments can only act in good times as Catalysts.

Money ( entreprenereurial , ) Bulshit walks.

Entrant

Posted by Norman Davison

View on LinkedIn

Tuesday 04 August 2009 8:57:14 am

amendment to last comment .

should have been 'Money talks, bulshit walks' ( famous stock market quote)

Member

Posted by Kathryn Davies

Tuesday 04 August 2009 10:14:29 am

Hang on, am I missing something here?

All entrepreneurs have to do a bit of work to get their ideas noticed. You can't just sit back and expect your genius to be recognised without doing any legwork or self promotion. What's wrong with sending an email round to your friends getting them to look at your video?

Member

Posted by Margarit Constantinescu

Tuesday 04 August 2009 10:56:17 am

Dear Kathryn,

It is one thing to email your friends and another to ask them to click on the video for a hundred times. This get so annoying especially when these self appointed "stars" of the contest brag around that they almost won the competition when they know their "popularity" is solely based on their friends click-work.

Nice talking to a real person.

Entrant

Posted by Norman Davison

View on LinkedIn

Tuesday 04 August 2009 11:37:50 am

Nice idea Kathryn,

Unfortunately all my friends are dead, ( handling $500,000 000 projects at the tender age of 32 does have that effect on people )
For some strange reason It didn't get me !

Entrant

Posted by Clara Mota

View on LinkedIn

Tuesday 04 August 2009 4:11:31 pm

Guys,
Let's use our energy to other discussions....Judges will choose by the environmental impact of the idea, among other characteristics!

We should congratulate ourselfs because the most of them are very good business ideas, the point were is how much they will impact on a direct form the environment, and their execution.
Personally I couldn't read all the pitches, but there just one idea, that I would say that is bad.

In fact the major environmental problems are the ones related to the impact that Man activities have in the basic planet resources;

AIR, WATER and SOIL

Without this resources we can't live in the planet!
We are dealing essentialy with the air, water and soil pollution, there are ideas that contribute to solve this problems having a major impact and others that have a less impact.

Some ideas are well formulated, but entrepreneurs don't clearify so well the impact on the environment worldwide, and they became a target of critics.

We should evaluate and analyse the business ideas in this terms, and how is they direct impact in avoiding de deploitation of this resources.
We should discuss the ideas of each other in this terms, and help to refine them.

Only one can win, but this contest will help the entrepreneur to refine is idea, explain it to the world, find sources of funding, partners, and customers.

Entrant

Posted by Vipul Patel

Wednesday 05 August 2009 1:01:57 pm

Have a look at the rules and you will see that the public voting is not part of the competition - read the rules:

Judging:

1. How will my entry be judged?
Judges will use the following criteria to assess applications:
- Quality of idea in terms of environmental benefit
- Uniqueness/Originality of idea
- Quality of communication of idea in Pitch Video
- Quality of written application form
- Judges will be aware of the popularity indices and may take this into consideration but they will not be required to do so.

Also you all need to remember that some people have had many weeks of exposure and others (myself included) posted at the last minute - I only learnt of the competition just before the deadline.

Moreover, I presume that, like me, the entrants have been prudent and kept their confidential information off the website. My video, as well as being rushed, is necessarily vague for this reason, unless you sign a non disclosure agreement and I trust you there I am going to ‘give you the keys’ to my idea and business. So only the judges, privy to the strategy of the idea, are in a position to make an informed decision.

The rules even give you the option of having your entry removed from the website but not the competition on the 31st July - again, this demonstrates how little the public voting matters.

Good luck with your entry,

Vipul

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